Why don't Japanese trucks come as duallies?

"Rainbow" (rainbeaux) 01/26/2018 at 07:23 • Filed to: None

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I just realized there are no dually Tundras or Titans. What’s that about?

pip bip - choose Corrour > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 07:27

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the Japanese have brains in the heads not between their legs.

duurtlang > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/26/2018 at 07:31

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They have their uses. Just not in a commuter vehicle or for towing modest loads.

I don’t think we do dually pickups in Europe either. Pickups in general really. Dually vans on the other hand... They are pure work orientated though and not in any way a viagra replacement.

pip bip - choose Corrour > duurtlang 01/26/2018 at 07:33

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vans yep i agree with, plus they put the wheels inboard not protruding like on the Ram/Ford/Chevs

jimz > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 07:34

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if they’re also-rans in the light duty full-size pickup segment, they’d be even more of an afterthought in the HD pickup segment. plus no medium-duty diesel in them.

itschrome > duurtlang 01/26/2018 at 07:42

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I dunno man, that van makes me a little bit hard..

nerd_racing > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 07:48

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Mazda Titan!

But in reality, the Japanese are much more considerate and aware that they have very limited space and dually vehicles are frivolous for their needs.

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/26/2018 at 07:53

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They used to...

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 07:54

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The Tundra and Titan compete against the F150 and the like. The F150 and it’s competitors also don’t come in a duallie. According to a quick peak at the Ford website you have to go to a F450 to get a duallie (unless there is the option buried somewhere for the smaller trucks).

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 07:55

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While the Tundra and Titan are both a bit bigger than the American 1500s they still arent quite heavy duty. You don’t see and dually F-150s do you? No because that just aren’t needed for anything under 12,000lbs.

bhtooefr > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 07:56

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I think it’s simply that such a product would be US-specific, and they suspect that it wouldn’t sell very well here due to massive brand loyalty to the Big Three. (Of course, it might work the other direction - it might work as a halo product, and Toyota has shown a Tundra dually concept based on a lot of Hino hardware...)

In the Japanese market, the closest thing to a “1-ton” (or more correctly, Class 3) dually pickup would probably be this:

That’s in the same GVWR range as our Class 3 trucks, and is better suited to the Japanese market’s space demands.

Also, the Isuzu NPR and the Mitsubishi Fuso trucks are actually available in Class 3 models, around 13,000 GVWR.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 01/26/2018 at 07:56

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You can get a dually on an F350

pip bip - choose Corrour > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 01/26/2018 at 07:59

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Hilux with dual rears, TIL

ours here never did

DipodomysDeserti > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/26/2018 at 07:59

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Not only did Toyota make dualies, they made them out of midsized trucks.

DipodomysDeserti > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 08:00

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They used to

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/26/2018 at 08:07

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A lot of them were turned into RVs and box trunks. U-haul owned thousands of them

osucycler > bhtooefr 01/26/2018 at 08:11

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This I like!

Mercedes Streeter > duurtlang 01/26/2018 at 08:19

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Dually van with truck perimeter lighting...mmmmmm forget pickup trucks, I want that!!!!!!!!!

marshknute > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 08:24

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No.

Toyota tried getting clever with the Tundra Stepside. The world isn’t prepared for whatever kind of abomination their dually would look like.

Ash78, voting early and often > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 08:30

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Good question, I think it’s just that their market share isn’t big enough to warrant it yet.

Almost all the duallies I see are true work trucks, not fashion accessories (even in a pickup-heavy area). The wheels are placed outboard to maintain the bed cargo area size. European dually vans are trying to increase their loads without sacrificing urban manueverability. Apples and oranges.

There’s something cool about seeing a retired guy in a dually towing a gooseneck with three cars on it halfway across the country for Carmax. A tool for every job.

404 - User No Longer Available > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 09:09

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This is technically Japanese.

https://www.gmfleet.com/chevrolet/low-cab-forward-trucks.html

It’s an Isuzu Elf. I guess you can custom fit a pickup bed on that and call it a day.

Wacko > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 09:23

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cause they are not Work trucks. The Titan is the closest thing to a HD 2500/250 from a non american brand.

Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 10:16

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Toyota built a concept truck back in 2007 that was a dually

https://jalopnik.com/5077255/toyota-tundra-dually-returns-to-sema-with-monster-diesel-mill

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/26/2018 at 10:39

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Tow a heavy load with single rear wheels, then tow the same load with dual rear wheels. Do this on a windy day, and get back to me.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rainbow 01/26/2018 at 11:27

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The long and skinny of it is GVWR, as others have alluded to. You don’t need the capacity of dual rear wheels if your truck isn’t rated for that kind of load. Toyota did make a hideous one off once though. It was not well received.

I think Toyota and Nissan are happy to sit on the sidelines for the 3/4 to 1 ton non-commercial truck market. They both have great commercial offerings and it doesn’t make sense for them to chase non-commercial users that wouldn’t give an “import” (Tundra’s are all built in Texas) truck a second look.

I know someone who worked on this truck a little, they said the build on it was amazing.

HammerheadFistpunch > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 01/26/2018 at 11:28

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back when 3000 lbs of payload and 116 hp of engine sounded like a winning combo.

HammerheadFistpunch > Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! 01/26/2018 at 11:40

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So I did a little digging because I was curious. Its obvious to me now this was a design concept only to gauge reaction. They would NEVER have built this. The Hino 8.0 engine they used (J08EUN)? Hold crap. 1500 lbs DRY weight (a cummins 6.7 is about 1000 lbs dry), 2600 rpm redline and a whopping 284 hp. It was never meant for a truck like this, nor would it have ever passed emissions regs.

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > HammerheadFistpunch 01/26/2018 at 12:19

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We had a ‘78 GMC with a mighty 400 small block, 3 speed auto, and full time 4WD! That engine was a beast it made a massive... let’s see here... 185HP. And we towed a 34' travel trailer with it. Sure, we spent sustained times at full throttle doing the double nickel. But it did it.

Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! > HammerheadFistpunch 01/26/2018 at 13:43

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I don’t think they originally used the 8.0 liter. I don’t remember the original engine size. I thought it was pretty cool though. I think I saw it in Truckin’ magazine or Diesel Power.

HammerheadFistpunch > Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! 01/26/2018 at 13:52

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The sorties I read on it all indicate an 8 liter i6. 8 liters!

Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! > HammerheadFistpunch 01/26/2018 at 20:06

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I found an article from Truck Trend and you are correct. I don’t know why I thought is was a smaller displacement.